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just by this so many trees so many pine

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trees and brush it's getting a bit thick

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now they told me this is the place to

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look so many pine cones at the place

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that I can look for Bigfoot if the

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Bigfoots anywhere it's going to be in

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this heavily wooded area I'm just near a

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crop of rocks trying to make my right

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way through this little stand of rocks

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over there in the distance I'm just

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hiding down looking down behind it's

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very windy now I can't quite ah

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that wind is cold I can't quite see

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clearly through the trees I think them I

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there's something in the distance using

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a log to whack a tree what the hell oh

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now I'm actually crouched down behind

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this tray now I can't quite see what's

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going on it's coming towards me I'm

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gonna be very quiet

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I can hear can't quite see it's getting

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a bit dark what you're listening to

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skeptoid I'm Brian Dunning from skeptoid

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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 504 for the 17th of June

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2018 Richardson is here with you coming

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this week from bend in the state of

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Oregon my first time in this part of the

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world and it is just beautiful lovely

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countryside pine trees rolling hills

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with mountains in the background

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snow-capped mountains and the little

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city of Bend town of Bend is just

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wonderful

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breweries everywhere I'm here as the

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guest of my good friend Brian Dunning

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and Monday night here in Oregon in Bend

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I'll be giving a talk about being a TV

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skeptic and testing paranormal claims

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and will even have a ward the divining

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demonstration if you are in the area or

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if you know somebody who lives in Oregon

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and could possibly make it to the Bend

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area on Monday night direct them to

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skeptic zone TV for the link it's going

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to be at Pappy's pizzeria Monday night

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and if you can come along I'd really

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look forward to seeing you but what's

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coming up on this week's show well as

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you already heard we we sort of went

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looking for Bigfoot but I only found

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Brian Dunning trumping through the

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forest later on Brian and I will visit a

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lava tube cave and explore that Brian's

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going to tell us about his latest film

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science friction what that's all about

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and more about Bigfoot well the

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possibility of Bigfoot in the general

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area but before that we have an

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interview with Yvette Don three-month

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interest at the moment is all about food

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myths she was a speaker at skeptic al in

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Berkeley and I was very lucky enough to

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also be part of the fun of skeptical the

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1-day skeptical conference and it was

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just horrific top line speakers well

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attended well spaced through the day

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people had plenty of time to talk to

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speakers and other skeptics Congrats

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relations to the organizers of skeptical

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and if you have the chance to go to

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skeptical in 2019 I can really recommend

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it it's just a really good one-day

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skeptical conference after my interview

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with the psy babe I bring you a report

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from the local skeptics in the pub which

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was held the night before skeptical

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where I run into my old friend susan

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gerbic from guerrilla skepticism on

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Wikipedia and I hope I hope this gives

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what fun skeptics in the pub can be

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from Sydney skeptics in the pub with

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Maynard running around

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well skeptics in the pub in Berkeley was

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just as much fun lots of good company

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nice people to meet and I can really

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skeptics in the pub is a good social

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opportunity and a good chance to meet

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other skeptics now I'd like to give a

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shout out to my friend Sharon Hill who

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travel all the way to Australia to

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attend Paracon Australia's paranormal

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conference only to have sadly with days

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to go the conference cancelled very

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sorry about that Sharon I'm sure sorry

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that happened to you and everybody who's

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to going there and interviewing lots of

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interesting people to bring it to you

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for the sceptic zone however due to and

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this is no joke as reported on one

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website of ghost hunters they said

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event has been cancelled due to

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unforeseen circumstances yes I know

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skeptics and other people to go along to

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that to them see what the believers had

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to say well now it's time for me to run

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local craft breweries and enjoy a quick

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pint of Pilsner or one of the local

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everything is killing you I'm sorry to

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be the one to tell you this folks that

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everything apparently is killing you I'm

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with Yvette document also known as this

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microphone on it it's a phone with a

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microphone it's I'm we're having this

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chat right outside of the conference

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we're at so it took fun with a fuzzy

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my phone it's always say as I as I

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works out it does we are literally on

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skip decal and we're we're in lovely

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Berkeley California is it's as I like to

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call it just as expensive as as San

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neighborhood so that's it's it's New

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kombucha that's that's Berkeley for you

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we've got coconuts detox and then we

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berries chia seeds avocados you cover a

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us how there are they're all killing it

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all they're the best things even

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possibly have right and here's the thing

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about and mother talk was called

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everything is killing you a marketing

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guide to bad science and normally I

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teach people how to debunk and today I

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kind of flipped that on its head and I

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telling people I'm gonna teach you the

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secrets of all the people who sell the

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approve of or the see you know it's and

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the super foods and showed you know

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on cancer it'll kill the cancer and then

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it and was like what are you sure kale

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thyroid you know just went through all

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of this with kale with chia seeds chia

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seeds can clog your esophagus this is

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same amount of sugar a lot of sugar

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which made me realize servers are a

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health food no stuff for our

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international audience especially in

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every like tiny little paper wrappers

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sure people know what we mean we say a

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little lollies or a little candy yeah

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say skittles because they're very

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those dried goji berries that I mean

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you talk but they taste greater they

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taste great they have all and they do

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have a lot of vitamins in them but like

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they have they they're not calorie free

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mean that they're not going to

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eventually add up we have to remember

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that where did this you might know it

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this term superfoods come from and what

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and is this some marketing genius

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thought this one up it's I'm not sure if

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it's you know what you I don't know if

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he came up with it I think I think the

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original source might have been and as I

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he said that fact-check I think I might

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because they are really good you know

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source they're not source there is that

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they're not a good source they are a

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good like like ground zero of a lot of

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BS so it might have been with prevention

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was David avocado Wolfe who presented

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himself as an expert on super foods and

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tried saying if you want you know if you

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want to relive a long time and he talks

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about he talks about being a longevity

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expert and you know if you want to live

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that long life you have to eat a lot of

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superfoods that are not defined by

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science at all there's no like there's

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no cutoff for amount of you know

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nutrient per calorie that makes

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something a superfood it's just like

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I've seen an Apple defined as a

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superfood and a list and an oatmeal to

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find it it's like depending on the list

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different foods are on there there is no

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caloric definition there's no vitamin

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content definition there's no definition

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by what food group I if it's vegan or

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anybody can call something a superfood

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as certified by an by internet blogger

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blogger by mom I don't want to

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accidentally name of something that is a

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mommy blogger but my mommy blogger you

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know of Madison rainbow when the average

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person on the net or buying something or

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concerned about their health here's

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something like X Y Zed berry oh and it's

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a superfood oh I'll get that it's a

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superfood it's and I mean it allows

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because suddenly that a man goes up for

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it it prompts I don't know if it a lot

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if it does in a lot of cases prompt

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retailers to out of the prices because

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suddenly the demand is higher so why

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wouldn't you charge a little bit more I

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mean we've seen the cost of kale go up

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quite a bit I will

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by 30% in the last couple of years and I

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mean it's gone up you know more in quite

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a bit more than the cost of inflation is

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because kale

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like I said sprinkle it on cancer it's

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gonna get rid of your cancer and tumeric

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big here too oh yeah turmeric is a it's

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definitely become a thing that people

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are may I forgot to put tumeric in my

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talk I'm adding that in for next time

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but to working radio and drugs but

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that's big back in Australia yeah it is

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definitely getting big here too I know

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somebody who after and this is probably

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why he's still a little a little learner

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he I know somebody who was in a crazy

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horrible car accident who afterwards

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decided to treat it with large amounts

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of turmeric and marijuana and he you

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know it sounds like he had a great time

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you know I'm not gonna tell you not to

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take a ton of pot when you're in

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miserable pain and you don't have to end

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you don't have to drive anywhere but you

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know it's not gonna cure a brain bleed

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and it's our literary phrases at this

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point we have no evidence this has these

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things cure brain bleeds and really it's

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really unfortunate that this person has

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not fully healed because he took this

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evident every took this this scanned

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evidence as proof that this worked and B

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it was because he was very distrustful

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of modern medicine so and when I mean

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that's really why we do the types of

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things we do is we see people getting

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hurt by by you know false hope and by

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empty promises and by fear really a lot

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of fear of the modern medical system and

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yeah the modern medical system screws up

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its it would be silly to deny that but

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looking at the amount of screw-ups

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versus the amount of people they save

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and then comparing that to alternative

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medicine and the amount of screw-ups

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versus the amount of people alternative

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medicine saves we have a much better

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record of saving people with the stuff

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from Pfizer not know that's not an

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endorsement of Pfizer just to clarify

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yeah and I agree with you entirely we're

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not we're not promoting a certain drug

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company or anything like that we're just

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saying that the the scientific approach

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has a better track record

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it's an amine not perfect but better

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it's we have it's a good way to extract

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information there are a couple different

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ways that I've seen it fail one is we're

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always trying to figure out a single

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variable in science and sometimes it's

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hard to you know and things like

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nutrition it's hard to figure out which

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variable is you know hitting the

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mousetrap and making the you know making

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the maze go forward but it's like that's

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the that's I think the hardest part in

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nutrition studies because that's one of

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the things I write about a lot is

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sussing out which one variable is

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causing you either the disease or the

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weight gain or the you know whatever

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you're trying to to define or scare

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people about if you're using bad

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medicine and that's you know that's kind

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of not one of the failings of a

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scientific process but there's one of

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the difficulties is making sure that

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you're doing that the experimental

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design is accurate and when there have

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been people who have put out shall we

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say less than reputable studies like

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like seralini for GMOs and you know the

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occasional study says this is the only

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nutrient that's causing you to gain

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weight there they're generally tend to

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be variables missing or the studies were

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designed to show what people wanted them

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to show and they haven't been able to be

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replicated so you know we need to look

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at studies that can be replicated we

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need to look for biases in our work and

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that's kind of a way to keep you know

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making science better on a ongoing basis

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point you bring out about scaring people

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it came up again and again during your

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talk oh yeah because all the memes you

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came up are scary they're horrifying and

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you mention GMOs I think that's one of

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the biggest ones people put up scares

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about and also you talked about Diet

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Coke and even even ice water it's there

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is nothing that you and I mean I was

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really surprised at all the different

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things that I found online telling me

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that different types of water were

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killing you that was the biggest

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surprise while I was researching this I

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didn't expect so many different

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instructions on what type of water was

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killing you like it was you can't drink

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cold water cantering hot water can't

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drink water with a meal can't drink

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water first thing in the morning can't

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drink water

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late at night cantering hot water

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straight from the tap can't treat cold

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water if I was like so we're basically

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down to organic gin and cigarettes

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that's all you have left but it's there

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is this thing where you know say you

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hear and I mean I think that just have a

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lot of bad information spreads say you

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hear you know from one of your friends

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on the internet or you get that forward

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from aunt Gayle it's always someone's

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aunt Gayle it's never anything but why

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does everyone have an aunt Gayle

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but somehow you get that forward for

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Montt Gayle saying you know the X Y or Z

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is killing you I heard it from my

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hairdresser you know and say gets it

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forward from the 1994 it said it's that

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you know diet coke causes MS or that or

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that an onion and your sock cures the

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flu or and I mean we've you've seen

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these I know and it shows up on my

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timeline from friends of mine that I

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consider smart and they are smart it's

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just you know they're trying to make

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sure they're healthy and they got sent

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this by someone who they have no reason

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to think would send them bad information

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catchy meme especially if it's well

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Donna looks professional and you've

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pointed to one on the screen where had

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little little dots in the water wasn't

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it something like that yeah it was just

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here I mean this was this was a meme

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from a company saying the bottled water

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scam nettled water yes no no I mean I

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don't think that bottled water is a

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thing that you should you know buy a few

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if you have a regular source of potable

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clean water but man if you're living in

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Flint Michigan by yourself all the damn

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bottled water you can possibly get but

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the thing is this the slide was trying

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to say oh if it's been stored at above

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this temperature it's it's bad for you

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and you know it it had I mean they have

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ways with these memes of kind of

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manipulating your perception of

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something and you're not going to go to

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well well you are because you're richer

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sounders here in good skeptic but you

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you okay again not you the general

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listeners because you are also good

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skeptics but the grand you they they are

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not gonna check this thing because there

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was an image on this with a with a

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magnifying glass held up to the bottle

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of water and it showed these three

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circles that were supposed to be

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mystical particles of death

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and what I mean I I don't even know what

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it was trying to say they were but

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apparently those particles are in that

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water and it's killing you but if you're

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looking for information a lot of my

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talks I tell people you know it's really

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easy to find bad health information if

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you're looking for good health

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information and I'll tell people you

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know since you've already so nicely

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taken your cell phones and put them away

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and turn them off please take them back

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out and turn them back on

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and you know Google GMOs good Google

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GMOs bad Google GMOs chemical Google

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GMOs agriculture and see how the the

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searches change and this is kind of good

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news once upon a time when you just

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googled GMOs eight out of ten of the top

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search results were negative and now

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over time more of the top 10 search

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results are positive

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it's interesting and I think it's been a

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lot of you know the efforts from a lot

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of different skeptic groups from

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different writers from science based

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medical known from my changing his mind

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and I think that might have helped a lot

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of people I hope it did but you know

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there have been there's been such a

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concerted effort from a lot of different

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media sources from a lot of different

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science writers to try to get the word

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out that these are safe and I love the

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conspiracy theories that were being paid

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off by Monsanto when I have a COI I have

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every place that's ever paid me since

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I've been working at SCI babel listed on

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my website I'm like go ahead and try to

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tell me that like you know when I will

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admit to everywhere else that's paid me

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I'm lying about Monsanto yes just so I

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can promote GMOs yeah some whole reason

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people get very sensitive about this one

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yeah it's and it's because there are so

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many rumors and it's it I think it goes

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back to the old arthur c clarke quote

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any any new it's sufficiently any new

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technology is indistinguishable friends

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yes I know I just jump mangled that

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quote I know and I'm sure everybody

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knows that quote yeah to to

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if society any technology is

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indistinguishable from magic

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along those lines we know what there's

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there was kind of a very similar Douglas

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Adams quote that again will mangle it's

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like you know anything that was that was

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made before you were born or until

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you're 35 as perfectly fine

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anything that's made after you're 35 is

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suspect and must be snuffed out and it's

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it's it's not you know it's there's some

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wiggle room on that but it's kind of

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true like we're seeing Millennials turn

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it into that age where we're like get

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off my lawn with your new technology and

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Millennials are kind of you know along

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with like everyone's kind of scared of

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GMOs but this is the first technology

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that Millennials haven't really embraced

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like we're like give me give me your

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iPhones that give the government access

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to my my data I don't care it lets me

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pay for my movie tickets immediately

528
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like give me you know give me the iPad

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give me everything that that has new

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tech in it but you know don't don't give

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farmers technology it's at I mean that's

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what amazes me is there's there's this

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one hold up on something that people

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will accept and they're not getting

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their information for incredible sources

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and in a lot of cases they're stopping

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you know these GMO crops and you know

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some conventional crops from reaching

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people who could really use them

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yeah and stopping and stomping in some

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situations and ripping them out of the

542
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ground oh yeah yeah it was a great talk

543
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folks if you get the chance to see that

544
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in action take it up and do it where can

545
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people find out more it's people can

546
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hunt me down at SCI babe calm at

547
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facebook.com slash SCI babe and I do my

548
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writing over at the outline and at self

549
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comm or I'm a columnist so please come

550
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help me down and listen to me ranting

551
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about bad science with occasional

552
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f-bombs all over the internet event

553
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thank you thank you for having me

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[Music]

555
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this is Kyle from the data skeptic

556
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podcast if you're curious about the way

557
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data is changing our world topics like

558
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:29,660
AI and all this craziness with Facebook

559
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and BOTS and the Twitter storm and how

560
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the algorithms that underline that work

561
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and you don't want a technical deep dive

562
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you want it you know in the vernacular

563
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in a way that people can understand

564
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check us out at data skeptic that's what

565
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:42,770
we try and do I interview advanced

566
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professionals in the field who do this

567
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sort of research and then I get into

568
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interesting projects as well we're a

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weekly show and you can find this data

570
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skeptic calm and folks to set the scene

571
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he learned a lot sort of be a garden of

572
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a restaurant in Berkeley California

573
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night has come there's some bigger

574
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one of these ghosts or Kiva's what do

575
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they call these CB Peters space heaters

576
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they're heating the space for us the

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lexan come on and we're just having a

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wonderful social evening

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absolutely it's wonderful this is a

580
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skeptics in the pet that we do right

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before the skeptical I think this is our

582
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eight nine nine or nine nine it's been

583
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really great it's really been great so

584
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this is about two hour drive for me but

585
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it's not that big a deal because you

586
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know this is my kind of my local

587
00:24:22,140 --> 00:24:15,270
Australian skeptics because Australian

588
00:24:23,970 --> 00:24:22,150
skeptics raw skeptics set a standard for

589
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other skeptics around the world do they

590
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not absolutely I never ever miss the

591
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skeptic zone except that I see does one

592
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on my phone right now and I haven't

593
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caught up with it but I do

594
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I've got like it's only been there a day

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thank you and here's your payment Susan

596
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from guerrilla skepticism on Wikipedia

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here we are at skeptics in the pub in

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Berkeley before skeptical I am so

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excited you were here I absolutely just

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I always come to skeptical but knowing

601
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you were here is like

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she's only I promise you folks she's

603
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only excited because I brought a supply

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of musk lifesavers absolutely not we

605
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passed him around and people were

606
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putting him into the mouth and spitting

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it back out shut you ie is Australian

608
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listeners it was delicious

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you like this I did it was weird but I

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like that I'll bring you some more she's

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gonna try the stick part they're awful

612
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oh my gosh it's like it's like I'm sorry

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Australian but I love you all

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except must sticks are disgusting it's

615
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like somebody's you know what it's like

616
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it's like you you're your grandmother

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died and you go into her medicine

618
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cabinet like maybe yours later and you

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go in and you open up the medicine

620
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cabinet makes that creaking sound when

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you open up the medicine cabinet and

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inside there's the little bottle and

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it's like roses something and it just is

624
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like linking eyes like a cork on it it's

625
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just disgusting and it just makes you

626
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what it just that's what must ticks

627
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tastes like Australian listeners you too

628
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can have this fun and excitement if you

629
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come to the United States mastics I

630
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promise you pack some uh sticks bring

631
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them out at parties eat one and say

632
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delicious Australian candy and watch the

633
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faces of the Americans as they run for

634
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the bathroom to spit them out we're

635
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trying to figure out why somebody asked

636
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me they said so wait what this is food

637
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and I said well okay think of it this

638
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way Australia you know they were in a

639
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island and they're there on their Island

640
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and they don't know about like real

641
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:39,130
candy and they're there

642
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and there and there on the island and

643
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there you know they're just working with

644
00:26:46,660 --> 00:26:44,840
what they have I mean maybe it's ground

645
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up drop bears or something I don't know

646
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but it's just I'm sorry you guys I love

647
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you all okay there will be some editing

648
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that takes place on this speaking of

649
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editing yes speaking of anything yeah

650
00:27:02,530 --> 00:27:00,530
how is the the guerrilla skepticism on

651
00:27:06,010 --> 00:27:02,540
Wikipedia going and I understand there

652
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:06,020
are some new editors which can be traced

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back to the skeptic Center absolutely we

654
00:27:14,620 --> 00:27:11,060
have just just graduated a brand new

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00:27:16,900 --> 00:27:14,630
editor and he is he came to me from your

656
00:27:20,110 --> 00:27:16,910
podcast and you know you've done such a

657
00:27:22,420 --> 00:27:20,120
wonderful job trying to get our word out

658
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:22,430
there and actually to be honest with you

659
00:27:28,270 --> 00:27:25,970
some of the most editors I get are from

660
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Australia or from the sceptic zones you

661
00:27:32,910 --> 00:27:30,270
have an awful lot of people who are not

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[Music]

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Australian they listen to the skeptic

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zone like myself and I appreciate that

665
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:40,160
and the newest editor that we just had

666
00:27:45,630 --> 00:27:42,050
oh my gosh you would not believe what he

667
00:27:48,180 --> 00:27:45,640
did his name is Kelly Eckersley

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00:27:50,030 --> 00:27:48,190
t-joint just about six months ago and he

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00:27:53,490 --> 00:27:50,040
rewrote the Wikipedia page for Paul

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00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:53,500
MacCready and Paul MacCready was the man

671
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who is an expert in gliders he's

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unfortunately now no longer with us here

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00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:02,080
on earth but Paul MacCready was an

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amazing man who has more honors than you

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00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:06,040
can imagine his Wikipedia page is now

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amazing because I'm gonna say this word

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wrong pterodactyl is that what it is

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called heard and they used it for a

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video that it's it's an areas

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Petrus or Patricia like to put say that

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word before but okay well anyway he's an

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amazing person that we wrote the

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Wikipedia that Kelly rewrote the

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Wikipedia page for invented a glider

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that will probably be something they can

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use on Mars when we finally get there

687
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Wow so fascinating people but anyway the

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GSO to problem gso w project has just

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published it six hundred and twenty

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fourth wikipedia page and we've just hit

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twenty seven million four hundred and

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00:29:14,340 --> 00:29:11,860
sixty something pageviews so 27 million

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pageviews so far from those six hundred

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twenty five thousand six hundred

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00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:17,559
twenty-five pages the other people at

696
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:19,360
our table are quite confused as why we

697
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:21,850
burst into applause we're talking about

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00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:25,090
guerrilla skepticism on wikipedia and

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00:29:29,890 --> 00:29:27,530
how are you a yes what about Wikipedia

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00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:29,900
yeah now at the other end of the table

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00:29:33,790 --> 00:29:31,910
we have Kyle Pollock who actually wrote

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00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:33,800
the statistics package for guerrilla

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00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:34,970
skeptics yes

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00:29:39,580 --> 00:29:37,130
tile polish is here he's an expert in AI

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00:29:43,660 --> 00:29:39,590
and he will speak speaking at skeptical

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00:29:45,340 --> 00:29:43,670
tomorrow and Kyle is the person whose MJ

707
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:45,350
actually was sitting across me who just

708
00:29:51,370 --> 00:29:47,810
talked to me are the reason why I'm able

709
00:29:53,170 --> 00:29:51,380
to track my statistics because Jay told

710
00:29:55,180 --> 00:29:53,180
me years ago faces and how do you know

711
00:29:56,170 --> 00:29:55,190
that geo so W is actually doing anything

712
00:29:58,090 --> 00:29:56,180
if you don't have any way of measuring

713
00:30:00,670 --> 00:29:58,100
your results and I said you know what

714
00:30:03,250 --> 00:30:00,680
you're absolutely right Jay diamond from

715
00:30:05,020 --> 00:30:03,260
the Bay Area skeptics board and he said

716
00:30:07,270 --> 00:30:05,030
you should have a way of tracking it and

717
00:30:09,940 --> 00:30:07,280
I said you know I know this guy who has

718
00:30:11,260 --> 00:30:09,950
a podcast called data skeptics who might

719
00:30:14,350 --> 00:30:11,270
be able to help me out and he wrote the

720
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:14,360
software for me and we're refining it we

721
00:30:18,250 --> 00:30:16,130
call it stop badger and that's the way

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00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:18,260
we're able to do it and Kyle is an

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00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:20,330
expert on AI and he's a expert on all

724
00:30:25,780 --> 00:30:23,810
these amazing things so it's a team work

725
00:30:27,220 --> 00:30:25,790
even if they're not editors people out

726
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:27,230
there are doing amazing work to make

727
00:30:31,660 --> 00:30:29,120
this possible to re-educate the world

728
00:30:33,670 --> 00:30:31,670
all of the world on science scientific

729
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:33,680
skepticism and the paranormal in all

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known languages can I get you a drink

731
00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:37,760
Susan actually I haven't had anything to

732
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:41,590
drink well it's wonderful to know that

733
00:30:47,290 --> 00:30:44,960
podcast service some use after all oh my

734
00:30:49,660 --> 00:30:47,300
gosh you don't understand how useful you

735
00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:49,670
have been it's wonderful the support

736
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:51,860
that you give to the community I hear

737
00:30:56,590 --> 00:30:53,690
from people all the time that they they

738
00:30:58,180 --> 00:30:56,600
are inspired by what you and the skeptic

739
00:31:01,200 --> 00:30:58,190
zone does we all love maeín art of

740
00:31:03,790 --> 00:31:01,210
course and Northern Rivers vaccinations

741
00:31:07,479 --> 00:31:03,800
supportive supporters yeah I know Hardy

742
00:31:09,219 --> 00:31:07,489
yes we love you guys also you know

743
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:09,229
can't wait to you back to Australia and

744
00:31:13,119 --> 00:31:10,609
see I can't wait to see you

745
00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:13,129
alright so until tomorrow when we'll be

746
00:31:23,820 --> 00:31:15,769
at skeptic a puppet thank you everybody

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00:31:35,409 --> 00:31:32,729
[Music]

748
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:35,419
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and I explore a range of controversies

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[Music]

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00:32:10,110 --> 00:32:06,750
this is Bigfoot country Brian Oh sort of

760
00:32:11,730 --> 00:32:10,120
I mean as in Bend Oregon is it and any

761
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:11,740
reports of that or is that other place

762
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:14,080
places there are like I was surprised to

763
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:15,570
learn the bend has its own little

764
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:18,490
Bigfoot Club as a Bigfoot meetup group

765
00:32:24,620 --> 00:32:21,250
or something and they actually had a

766
00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:24,630
Bigfoot conference of some kind here

767
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:26,710
about a couple of months ago I was out

768
00:32:31,860 --> 00:32:28,450
of town but I was sorely tempted to

769
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:31,870
attend but what folks we really uh we've

770
00:32:35,970 --> 00:32:33,730
driven out of town and we are in a

771
00:32:40,529 --> 00:32:35,980
wooded area with a rock outcrop is

772
00:32:42,510 --> 00:32:40,539
exactly as I explained it's magical what

773
00:32:45,330 --> 00:32:42,520
oh it's a beautiful landscape Brian I

774
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:45,340
find it magical and I think we're just

775
00:32:50,820 --> 00:32:47,770
about to go to a lava cave is that right

776
00:32:52,740 --> 00:32:50,830
yes Central Oregon here is all volcanic

777
00:32:54,570 --> 00:32:52,750
and this is all part of the part of the

778
00:32:56,039 --> 00:32:54,580
lava flows from Newberry crater which is

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00:32:58,049 --> 00:32:56,049
the big mountain off in the distance

780
00:33:00,480 --> 00:32:58,059
that way and so all these rock

781
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:00,490
outcroppings here this is all lava rock

782
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:04,690
and let's take a closer look just take a

783
00:33:10,140 --> 00:33:07,330
closer look at this rock and this is all

784
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:10,150
from well volcanic yeah oh it's coming

785
00:33:18,419 --> 00:33:15,760
up I just ruined it but we can look

786
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:18,429
underneath look at that that's that's

787
00:33:27,060 --> 00:33:23,610
lava right Wow ancient lava well the the

788
00:33:28,289 --> 00:33:27,070
this straw this these twigs needles pine

789
00:33:30,899 --> 00:33:28,299
needles thank you go all the way down

790
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:30,909
look at that anyway onward to our next

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adventure we'll look for a Bigfoot in

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[Music]

793
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:43,260
the hunt for Bigfoot goes on Brian and I

794
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:46,890
have come to Boyd cave just down these

795
00:33:55,130 --> 00:33:52,320
steps now and we're in a it looks like

796
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:55,140
something out of The Flintstones death

797
00:33:59,900 --> 00:33:57,120
it looks like a cave out of the movies

798
00:34:03,289 --> 00:33:59,910
if people think the word cave that's

799
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what we're in I don't remember what

800
00:34:08,030 --> 00:34:06,600
remains no you're probably right oh and

801
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:08,040
we have could turn in our flashlights

802
00:34:16,129 --> 00:34:13,440
here over there it says something let's

803
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go this way and it's and the temperature

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dropped within what twenty feet or so

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down the stairs is remarkable think

806
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we're being blasted from hawk ticket oh

807
00:34:34,780 --> 00:34:31,889
wow this really is like out of a movie I

808
00:34:39,169 --> 00:34:34,790
wonder if they come here to film stuff

809
00:34:44,510 --> 00:34:39,179
it's about half the size of what you

810
00:34:47,359 --> 00:34:44,520
might think a train tunnel would be no

811
00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:47,369
bigger bigger much bigger yeah I'm not

812
00:35:05,510 --> 00:34:55,940
Brian's reminding me this is actually a

813
00:35:07,250 --> 00:35:05,520
love tube made from lava when he doesn't

814
00:35:09,980 --> 00:35:07,260
know when folks he's have limited valued

815
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:09,990
Wow it goes on and on

816
00:35:16,220 --> 00:35:14,490
what convenient walking here and it's

817
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:16,230
getting very dark now we've turned one

818
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:18,510
corner and any trace of daylight has

819
00:35:24,190 --> 00:35:19,920
disappeared in fact if you turn off your

820
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:28,670
complete pitch-black that's dirty that's

821
00:35:33,820 --> 00:35:30,450
a stunning that's stunning

822
00:35:37,210 --> 00:35:33,830
I hope these batteries don't give out

823
00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:37,220
further down we go

824
00:35:42,349 --> 00:35:39,480
there was a sign at the entrance saying

825
00:35:46,099 --> 00:35:42,359
danger of rock force which gives me lots

826
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:46,109
of confidence as freezing down here it's

827
00:35:50,020 --> 00:35:47,890
so cold

828
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:50,030
and I wouldn't want to huddle down here

829
00:35:57,250 --> 00:35:53,570
for warmth I tell you I had to do this

830
00:36:00,339 --> 00:35:57,260
we we were in not this one but another

831
00:36:01,359 --> 00:36:00,349
one here and the kids said oh we want to

832
00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:01,369
go through that little hole in the wall

833
00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:05,230
yeah and they were gone for over an hour

834
00:36:09,970 --> 00:36:07,630
and I was just sitting there waiting

835
00:36:16,660 --> 00:36:09,980
because I wasn't I wasn't going through

836
00:36:19,569 --> 00:36:16,670
that hole I nearly died it's it's it's

837
00:36:24,819 --> 00:36:19,579
very cold on the further down we go I

838
00:36:28,540 --> 00:36:24,829
think we go over this way scrambling

839
00:36:31,329 --> 00:36:28,550
over some little rocks here yeah it goes

840
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:31,339
on and on so it's a remarkable thing as

841
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:32,410
you say we're in it

842
00:36:39,810 --> 00:36:36,650
something carved out by a lava flow who

843
00:36:44,319 --> 00:36:39,820
knows when a long time ago presumably

844
00:36:46,930 --> 00:36:44,329
very long time ago and this system is

845
00:36:55,690 --> 00:36:46,940
going on and on it doesn't branch off

846
00:36:58,420 --> 00:36:55,700
though it's one solid tube wow this is

847
00:37:02,920 --> 00:36:58,430
really like something out of a a dream

848
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:02,930
or a nightmare depending I don't expect

849
00:37:09,250 --> 00:37:07,130
to see any Bigfoot going the other way I

850
00:37:11,470 --> 00:37:09,260
don't think so looking up at the ceiling

851
00:37:14,620 --> 00:37:11,480
and yeah it's flaking there a little bit

852
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:14,630
you see that it could fall off there see

853
00:37:26,890 --> 00:37:18,050
that give it a wiggle yeah I don't think

854
00:37:28,569 --> 00:37:26,900
so I can't hear it it's quite

855
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:28,579
interesting because the further we go on

856
00:37:35,740 --> 00:37:33,440
it's it's like a repeating never-ending

857
00:37:37,210 --> 00:37:35,750
repeating tube with huge rocks in the

858
00:37:42,809 --> 00:37:37,220
middle and a sort of a walkway on the

859
00:37:46,660 --> 00:37:42,819
side where we are and we can only see oh

860
00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:46,670
not so far ahead because of the the way

861
00:37:50,829 --> 00:37:49,310
the cave is twisting and turning but as

862
00:37:52,740 --> 00:37:50,839
soon as we get around another bend in

863
00:37:54,970 --> 00:37:52,750
the cave it's the same thing again it's

864
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:54,980
bending and twisting and turning through

865
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:58,010
the earth the interesting experience and

866
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:00,720
you might think I'm not very

867
00:38:05,060 --> 00:38:02,730
in good condition because I'm breathing

868
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:05,070
quite a bit it's partly because of the

869
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:10,290
altitude Brian says I'm in terrible

870
00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:11,610
shape but partly because we're actually

871
00:38:17,870 --> 00:38:14,310
about to kill a meter up so the air is a

872
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:17,880
little thinner up here I can see some

873
00:38:23,390 --> 00:38:21,450
lights ahead right in the distance that

874
00:38:25,610 --> 00:38:23,400
this cave is straightening out a little

875
00:38:26,990 --> 00:38:25,620
bit I just saw a light so I suspect

876
00:38:33,370 --> 00:38:27,000
there's some more people wandering

877
00:38:40,970 --> 00:38:33,380
around down here yeah

878
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,980
scrambling over rocks yeah I don't know

879
00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:42,480
there's no easy way at the moment of

880
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:45,000
sort of stuck scrambling over these

881
00:38:57,950 --> 00:38:49,130
rocks are going to be careful here now

882
00:39:02,860 --> 00:38:57,960
now I'm stuck Oh heavy on the side gotta

883
00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:04,150
right

884
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:21,960
and down I go we've discovered the Lost

885
00:39:44,220 --> 00:39:42,150
a whole society of cave people yeah we

886
00:39:50,180 --> 00:39:44,230
gonna find some food supplies down here

887
00:39:58,620 --> 00:39:54,170
this might be a good spot to stop right

888
00:40:26,089 --> 00:39:58,630
and you know we don't need a flashlight

889
00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:29,130
the rocks are very loose as we walk

890
00:40:36,740 --> 00:40:31,740
along what's this

891
00:40:43,370 --> 00:40:39,900
very low-hanging bit of the ceiling here

892
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:43,380
which looks like it could disintegrate

893
00:40:52,170 --> 00:40:46,810
and again it's just cold it's so cold

894
00:40:54,930 --> 00:40:52,180
down here oh okay we're not going down

895
00:40:57,780 --> 00:40:54,940
there you called no no but I'm not going

896
00:40:58,070 --> 00:40:57,790
down there because all right dress for

897
00:41:02,430 --> 00:40:58,080
it

898
00:41:03,450 --> 00:41:02,440
yeah step back here and I'm gonna be

899
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:03,460
careful because I'm gonna hit my head

900
00:41:19,479 --> 00:41:06,490
unless I get to it scramble down these

901
00:41:23,870 --> 00:41:21,890
I'm not helping myself I've got a

902
00:41:34,489 --> 00:41:23,880
flashlight in one hand and a microphone

903
00:41:36,410 --> 00:41:34,499
in the others yeah so this might be a

904
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:36,420
good spot for us to catch our breath for

905
00:41:43,249 --> 00:41:39,119
a moment Brian and you can tell me of

906
00:41:45,739 --> 00:41:43,259
the progress of your next feature film

907
00:41:48,019 --> 00:41:45,749
or your first feature film science

908
00:41:51,410 --> 00:41:48,029
friction science friction feature

909
00:41:52,549 --> 00:41:51,420
documentary film intended for a limited

910
00:41:55,099 --> 00:41:52,559
theatrical release

911
00:41:58,700 --> 00:41:55,109
it's about scientists who have been

912
00:42:01,180 --> 00:41:58,710
misrepresented quote mind edited out of

913
00:42:03,410 --> 00:42:01,190
context to make it sound like they're

914
00:42:05,420 --> 00:42:03,420
supporting some sort of woo

915
00:42:07,700 --> 00:42:05,430
pseudoscience as we see on the

916
00:42:10,130 --> 00:42:07,710
sensationalist kind of pseudo

917
00:42:12,799 --> 00:42:10,140
documentaries from TVs science channels

918
00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:12,809
yeah this happens to virtually every

919
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:15,960
scientist who has been on any of these

920
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:20,729
shows they often are very frustrated by

921
00:42:26,269 --> 00:42:22,170
it they don't find out about it until

922
00:42:27,769 --> 00:42:26,279
afterwards and the network's do this

923
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:27,779
basically because it's a cheap and easy

924
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:30,569
way to make a sensational program yeah

925
00:42:34,219 --> 00:42:32,729
well I've had some limited experience

926
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:34,229
with that myself being interviewed on

927
00:42:38,269 --> 00:42:36,210
Australian TV from time to time and you

928
00:42:39,529 --> 00:42:38,279
can talk for five or ten minutes and

929
00:42:43,819 --> 00:42:39,539
they'll cut out the bit where you say

930
00:42:46,849 --> 00:42:43,829
yeah I don't think it was real I just

931
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:46,859
done I just did a thing with out of the

932
00:42:50,660 --> 00:42:48,690
blue some guy emailed me from Russian

933
00:42:53,209 --> 00:42:50,670
television and he wanted me to talk

934
00:42:55,819 --> 00:42:53,219
about Nostradamus oh yeah and he wanted

935
00:42:57,289 --> 00:42:55,829
me to tell the story he was practically

936
00:43:01,009 --> 00:42:57,299
feeding me the lines he wanted me to

937
00:43:03,319 --> 00:43:01,019
tell the story of how Nostradamus was

938
00:43:05,150 --> 00:43:03,329
walking along and he he came upon a

939
00:43:07,969 --> 00:43:05,160
priest and suddenly dropped to his knees

940
00:43:10,839 --> 00:43:07,979
and worshipped him and that priest later

941
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:10,849
became the Pope and it's because

942
00:43:15,259 --> 00:43:13,200
Nostradamus was prophesied this guy was

943
00:43:17,029 --> 00:43:15,269
gonna be the Pope so I had heard that

944
00:43:19,999 --> 00:43:17,039
story but there's no evidence that

945
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:20,009
anything like that ever happened and

946
00:43:25,279 --> 00:43:22,710
it's really just the invention of 20th

947
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:25,289
century pulp fiction authors so he

948
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:27,450
wanted me to tell this story and present

949
00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:28,079
myself as

950
00:43:31,789 --> 00:43:30,209
as if I'm the Nostradamus expert and to

951
00:43:33,890 --> 00:43:31,799
make it sound like this is

952
00:43:36,650 --> 00:43:33,900
incontrovertible proof that Nostradamus

953
00:43:38,509 --> 00:43:36,660
was a prophet and we were just doing

954
00:43:41,329 --> 00:43:38,519
this since he was in Russia we were just

955
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:41,339
doing this over Skype and so I set up a

956
00:43:44,809 --> 00:43:42,650
little hidden camera

957
00:43:48,289 --> 00:43:44,819
well not hidden just out of the view of

958
00:43:52,579 --> 00:43:48,299
my laptop's camera and filmed the entire

959
00:43:54,229 --> 00:43:52,589
exchange and at one point I did tell the

960
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,239
story and I kind of left him some nice

961
00:43:58,130 --> 00:43:56,160
editing points on either end of it oh

962
00:44:00,199 --> 00:43:58,140
yeah and I preface the story with this

963
00:44:02,569 --> 00:44:00,209
this didn't happen for real but the

964
00:44:04,009 --> 00:44:02,579
legend is blah yeah and then the end of

965
00:44:05,329 --> 00:44:04,019
it I said the same thing but there's no

966
00:44:07,370 --> 00:44:05,339
evidence that this ever happened it's

967
00:44:09,049 --> 00:44:07,380
just become part of the the part of the

968
00:44:12,380 --> 00:44:09,059
story that was added by modern writers

969
00:44:14,809 --> 00:44:12,390
so if I ever hear back from and if this

970
00:44:16,999 --> 00:44:14,819
ever gets it into the Russian TV show

971
00:44:19,339 --> 00:44:17,009
we've got a nice little sting that we're

972
00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:19,349
gonna show in the film there's an

973
00:44:23,509 --> 00:44:21,420
example of how exactly how this kind of

974
00:44:25,489 --> 00:44:23,519
thing happens yeah because you know many

975
00:44:26,779 --> 00:44:25,499
especially younger scientists they get

976
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:26,789
out there and they get a little bit of

977
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:28,650
notoriety these TV shows want to have

978
00:44:32,569 --> 00:44:30,209
them on everyone says hey that's a great

979
00:44:36,349 --> 00:44:32,579
way to advance my career to show myself

980
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,359
as to the public as a as a science

981
00:44:41,989 --> 00:44:38,640
communicator someone who's going places

982
00:44:46,370 --> 00:44:41,999
and is on TV and it bites them in the

983
00:44:49,459 --> 00:44:46,380
ass more often than not so we we think

984
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,469
that this is a bad thing we think it

985
00:44:53,870 --> 00:44:51,359
does the public a disservice we think it

986
00:44:55,609 --> 00:44:53,880
does the science a disservice and we

987
00:44:57,709 --> 00:44:55,619
think that more people need to know that

988
00:44:59,779 --> 00:44:57,719
these shows are not necessarily giving

989
00:45:01,039 --> 00:44:59,789
you the truth and and that they're

990
00:45:02,799 --> 00:45:01,049
willing to go to great lengths to

991
00:45:05,059 --> 00:45:02,809
distort the truth to promote this

992
00:45:06,410 --> 00:45:05,069
sensationalist agenda to get more

993
00:45:07,969 --> 00:45:06,420
viewers from their point of view of

994
00:45:12,799 --> 00:45:07,979
course it's it that sort of thing would

995
00:45:16,370 --> 00:45:12,809
sell more than then a dare say a dry

996
00:45:18,049 --> 00:45:16,380
scientific so we're gonna give these

997
00:45:19,099 --> 00:45:18,059
scientists a chance to clear the record

998
00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:19,109
we're gonna have them tell us what

999
00:45:21,739 --> 00:45:21,089
happened show the clip see what see how

1000
00:45:25,009 --> 00:45:21,749
it went down

1001
00:45:26,930 --> 00:45:25,019
and it's we're actually crowdfunding the

1002
00:45:29,269 --> 00:45:26,940
initial production the reason for that

1003
00:45:31,309 --> 00:45:29,279
being that this is not something that

1004
00:45:32,989 --> 00:45:31,319
any the network's want to fund obviously

1005
00:45:36,620 --> 00:45:32,999
you've already suffered a bit of

1006
00:45:39,529 --> 00:45:36,630
backlash from that so the it's at

1007
00:45:41,450 --> 00:45:39,539
science friction dot TV where people can

1008
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:41,460
see the promo real we've

1009
00:45:44,570 --> 00:45:42,930
a little trailer for the film we talked

1010
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:44,580
about it we show some of the experts we

1011
00:45:49,130 --> 00:45:45,839
tell some of those stories that are

1012
00:45:51,620 --> 00:45:49,140
gonna be featured in the film science

1013
00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:51,630
friction dot TV we've got lots of nice

1014
00:45:56,540 --> 00:45:53,640
little rewards for the people who choose

1015
00:45:59,180 --> 00:45:56,550
to help donate and and support the

1016
00:46:01,970 --> 00:45:59,190
production all the way up to large

1017
00:46:03,530 --> 00:46:01,980
donors can get a executive producer

1018
00:46:05,390 --> 00:46:03,540
credit for the film which is a real

1019
00:46:08,030 --> 00:46:05,400
credit which is going to be in the

1020
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:08,040
theatres and you get it on IMDB so if

1021
00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:09,690
anyone's interested in buying their way

1022
00:46:12,170 --> 00:46:11,250
into the film industry this is an easy

1023
00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:12,180
way to do it

1024
00:46:18,820 --> 00:46:14,910
all right folks links on this week's

1025
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:18,830
show notes I look forward to when it's

1026
00:46:24,260 --> 00:46:22,050
finally out is there timeframe we're

1027
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:24,270
going into full production starting in

1028
00:46:30,140 --> 00:46:28,170
August here 2018 it probably is going to

1029
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:30,150
take a year these things go slowly the

1030
00:46:33,740 --> 00:46:32,310
nature of documentaries are you know

1031
00:46:35,060 --> 00:46:33,750
kind of the direction the next thing

1032
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:35,070
you're gonna film is suggested by the

1033
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:36,720
thing you're filming today so it's hard

1034
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:39,089
to put an end cap on it but we've

1035
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:40,890
already got about 30 hours worth of

1036
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:43,440
footage that we've already shot and it's

1037
00:46:47,290 --> 00:46:45,240
gonna be it's going to be a great great

1038
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:47,300
movie it is just some some really

1039
00:46:53,089 --> 00:46:50,609
horrifying examples of people being

1040
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,099
taken out of context looking forward to

1041
00:46:56,660 --> 00:46:54,720
it now folks this is an odd situation

1042
00:46:57,859 --> 00:46:56,670
we've both turned off our flashlights

1043
00:46:59,599 --> 00:46:57,869
because we're just standing here in the

1044
00:47:02,599 --> 00:46:59,609
middle of a cave and as we said before

1045
00:47:03,890 --> 00:47:02,609
there is no light apart from the small

1046
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:03,900
amount of light given off by the

1047
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:06,570
interface on my microphone and I can't

1048
00:47:11,839 --> 00:47:09,359
really turn that off but if I sort of do

1049
00:47:13,609 --> 00:47:11,849
that point it away from us and now we've

1050
00:47:15,020 --> 00:47:13,619
got the dimmest of dim light so it's

1051
00:47:19,300 --> 00:47:15,030
like listening to an episode of our

1052
00:47:21,500 --> 00:47:19,310
podcast we are having an audio-only

1053
00:47:24,890 --> 00:47:21,510
conversation yeah I can turn on the

1054
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:24,900
light now oh whoa whoa hey this is a

1055
00:47:28,530 --> 00:47:38,640
[Music]

1056
00:47:44,130 --> 00:47:42,190
hi this is Heidi Robertson from the

1057
00:47:47,010 --> 00:47:44,140
Northern Rivers vaccination supporters

1058
00:47:49,630 --> 00:47:47,020
we are a group of concerned citizens

1059
00:47:52,210 --> 00:47:49,640
dedicated to promoting good science and

1060
00:47:55,330 --> 00:47:52,220
common sense in our region the far north

1061
00:47:56,890 --> 00:47:55,340
coast of New South Wales this area are

1062
00:48:00,070 --> 00:47:56,900
famous for its natural beauty and

1063
00:48:03,580 --> 00:48:00,080
relaxed lifestyle also has the lowest

1064
00:48:05,860 --> 00:48:03,590
rates of vaccination in Australia we are

1065
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:05,870
out to change that by challenging the

1066
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:08,210
myths and misinformation and by

1067
00:48:13,210 --> 00:48:09,890
providing good evidence-based

1068
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:13,220
information to the community we'd love

1069
00:48:18,670 --> 00:48:15,050
for you no matter where you are in the

1070
00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:18,680
world to join our fight please visit our

1071
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:26,510
webpage at WWF info we also have a link

1072
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:29,570
there to our Facebook page tweet us at

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in our FAQs supporters

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that's vix and check us out on Wikipedia

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by searching for Northern Rivers

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vaccination supporters thank you

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone a fun episode this week I think a

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very different episode I really did

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enjoy trumping through the cave the lava

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cave with Brian Dunning it was so

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interesting and pitch-black incredible

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very very interesting what it does to

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the senses and cold Wow was it cold down

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there if you have a chance it was called

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Boyd cave if you have a chance to check

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out a lava tube cave yes sir it's a good

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adventure coming up on next week's show

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maybe some interviews from my talk here

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from some of the attendees from my talk

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here in Bend Oregon at Pappy's pizzeria

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in a couple of days time Monday night

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here in Oregon and maybe I can convince

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one of my reporters to send me a they'll

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report because I'll be travelling

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midweek I'll be jumping on that airplane

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once more heading back to Australia

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where I lose a day due to the

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International Dateline I leave on one

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day but arrive for the day after

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tomorrow I miss a day it's very strange

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it's very strange then I'll be all

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jet-lagged again but until next week

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where I'll be reporting from Sydney

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Australia this is Richard Saunders

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signing off from Bend Oregon you've been

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listening to the skeptic zone podcast

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please visit our website at WWDC be for

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necessarily those of Australian skeptics

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or any other sceptical organisation

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way through what's that

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[Applause]

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boy there goes the magic all right there

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you go - come - you're gonna make your

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way noisily towards me when you get

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close you say this is Brian done I don't

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know what that is

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damn it go back go back Bigfoot all

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right one more whack of the thing I'm

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actually crouched down behind what

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you're listening to skeptoid I'm Brian

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Dunning from skeptoid calm that's the